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bos_dr · Jul 23, 2006, 07:22 AM // 07:22

dont get mad at noobs. theyre NOOBS for crying out loud! y dont u go to HA or something then. noobs arent going to read the forum, so y post it here.

just cuz a player uses mending doesnt mean theyre noobs.

or u could help them find a better build so they can be better instead of just telling them that they suck.

its just a game, if u dont like it, go play something else.

Age · Jul 23, 2006, 07:16 PM // 19:16

I would tend to think that OP has been beaten by the Paladin build I mabe wrong though.I used that premade in RA a few times changed a few of the skills around but I never use mendiing in PvP and even in PVE unless farming.I for the most part use mend ailment and I use it on other team mates as well.You can say you hate all Paladins but some of us hate Iway just the same and you can get more faction useing an Iway build in RA.

Legendary Battousai · Jul 23, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by Aisius

The only problem I have with mending warriors is the ones that cast their mending on other players.

I don't think posting this in the warrior forums is going to make alot of difference to how newbie warrior/ monks play in RA. I think you'd be better off writting a guide or something explaining how to maximize wins in RA and maybe in that touch on some of the builds which you think are less effective.

It was moved.

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Originally Posted by Aisius

The only problem I have with mending warriors is the ones that cast their mending on other players.

I don't think posting this in the warrior forums is going to make alot of difference to how newbie warrior/ monks play in RA. I think you'd be better off writting a guide or something explaining how to maximize wins in RA and maybe in that touch on some of the builds which you think are less effective.

It was moved.

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Originally Posted by Poison Ivy

The Wammo might be on the other team aswell

Thus making this thread entirely bullcrap.

You might aswell make a thread educating Wammos that the build scks (But Wammos don't read Guru )

Yes, wammos can be on the other team, and I hope someone that read this thread would be on the other team. Some wammos might read this thread, but this is more for the people who hate wammos and is a suggestion as to what might be done to make them realize they have horrrible builds. Telling people who do not run wammos that wammos suck is not the goal of this thread.

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Originally Posted by Zui

Rank has absolutly nothing to do with skill. It is a measure of grind; Nothing more. You can reach any rank by winning random 1 pointers in UW while running henchway with 3 randomly invited players, assuming you have enough time.

Please never post unless you actualy understand what you're talking about. Thanks.

Rank if aquired before Iway means something. It also means you have experiance in running with groups, you are more fluent at pressing 1 and 2 on your keyboard as opposed to someone new and can probably understand the game better

. As for "henchway" you are still becoming more fluent at pressing 1 and 2, so it is better than nothing eh?

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Originally Posted by bos_dr

dont get mad at noobs. theyre NOOBS for crying out loud! y dont u go to HA or something then. noobs arent going to read the forum, so y post it here.

just cuz a player uses mending doesnt mean theyre noobs.

or u could help them find a better build so they can be better instead of just telling them that they suck.

its just a game, if u dont like it, go play something else.

Im sorry but if someone uses mending, there is a 99.99% chance that he is infact new to the game. Also realize that 78% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

In further news, the plauge is not only spreading but it is also mutating into a more deadly virus. Please keep all children away if you decide to glance at what this wammo is doing, because it might overwhelm them.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i9...uraI/gw250.jpg

(Basically this is only making a game last 30 seconds to 10 minutes longer)

CagedinSanity · Jul 23, 2006, 10:14 PM // 22:14

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Originally Posted by Frost

The only warmo that work is one that is rank 6+. Otherwise they suck big time without themselves knowing.

now what the CRAP does that have to do with anything?

TadaceAce · Jul 23, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

No wammo is good, you people who argue for the wammo don't understand that your job is to kill things, if your getting attacked or "tanking" your team is dead and you lost already anyway.

Im A Paladin is a leet warrior from Te.

"Johnny" doesn't know if he hates pve because hes never played it if hes playing a wammo in pvp. If he has hes just plain stupid and should fall off the face of the earth.

I hope the changing of the prebuilds really reduces the amount of wammos (even though I think most of them come from pve).

Heres my solution, remove mending and healing hands from the game, people SHOULD NOT use mending in any build (edit: 55 monks would be devastated!) and healing hands isn't used outside of blood spike and morons.

Aisius · Jul 24, 2006, 02:54 AM // 02:54

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Originally Posted by Legendary Battousai

It was moved.

It was moved.

Yes, wammos can be on the other team, and I hope someone that read this thread would be on the other team. Some wammos might read this thread, but this is more for the people who hate wammos and is a suggestion as to what might be done to make them realize they have horrrible builds. Telling people who do not run wammos that wammos suck is not the goal of this thread.

Rank if aquired before Iway means something. It also means you have experiance in running with groups, you are more fluent at pressing 1 and 2 on your keyboard as opposed to someone new and can probably understand the game better

. As for "henchway" you are still becoming more fluent at pressing 1 and 2, so it is better than nothing eh?

Im sorry but if someone uses mending, there is a 99.99% chance that he is infact new to the game. Also realize that 78% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

In further news, the plauge is not only spreading but it is also mutating into a more deadly virus. Please keep all children away if you decide to glance at what this wammo is doing, because it might overwhelm them.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i9...uraI/gw250.jpg

(Basically this is only making a game last 30 seconds to 10 minutes longer)

So why not write a guide ? Educate and demonstrate the in-effectiveness of warrior monks played in PvP. Reach more than "some" wammo's that may read guru. Remove some of your spitefulness and self opinionated points from your text, list points and "statements" that could be used to educate potential wammo pvp build enthusiusts.
Run a wammo build and allow your audience to empathize with the problems the wammo build may face in pvp.

Maybe follow up with a partition to Anet to change the preset builds or link to another one already started.

Another thing while you say wammo's- Does this mean a warrior using smite spells or purge and smite hex, are they wammo's in your eyes ? Is it your intention to spread discord among the guild wars community against warriors that have a secondary in monk or just a particular build/ set of spells ?

TadaceAce · Jul 24, 2006, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by Aisius

Another thing while you say wammo's- Does this mean a warrior using smite spells or purge and smite hex, are they wammo's in your eyes ? Is it your intention to spread discord among the guild wars community against warriors that have a secondary in monk or just a particular build/ set of spells ?

When I mean wammo I mean any warrior with the monk secondary. There are very few builds that makes a W/Mo feasable and even fewer people that know what they are. Purge and smite hex... yeah not one of um. The semi (not really) popular KD/HS... also not one of them.

MalVeauX · Jul 24, 2006, 04:50 AM // 04:50

Monk is a valid and good secondary proffesion for every character out there. There's nothing wrong with it. And it doesn't make them a total "noob."

How they use that, is what defines it.

There's nothing wrong with W/Mo. People simply cannot get over the few they encounter, or many if the case may be.

When I see W/R, W/Me, W/E, W/A, W/Rt, I don't automatically think to myself: "Oh, this fellow must know exactly what he's doing. He took non-monk as a 2nd profession and must have a decent build or is trying something interesting." I don't think that, because way more than half the time, these people are worse than the sorry ass W/Mo who is being complained about!

Here's why:

W/Mo has a buffer of forgiveness. You can mess up a bit, and still pull out an ok build.

W/X has far less of a buffer of forgiveness. You're either all Warriors, or you're implimenting other parts of other professions, which may not just be so forgiving and require quite a bit more than cast and forget.

-- Now, that's not to say I'm all about W/Mo or all about non-Warrior in general. I do have a slight chuckle of "That's silly." When I pass through Beacon's only to see a screen of W/Mo and nothing else. It's annoying. But I don't look and call everyone in there, except for 10% of them as total noobs to this game.

How you use things defines it.
Not because you use it.

Cheers!

Aisius · Jul 24, 2006, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by TadaceAce

When I mean wammo I mean any warrior with the monk secondary. There are very few builds that makes a W/Mo feasable and even fewer people that know what they are. Purge and smite hex... yeah not one of um. The semi (not really) popular KD/HS... also not one of them.

So I'm killing a boss or two in Sorrows furnace or Drazech Thicket , I don't have all day and have no choice but to go with hench. I need rebirth as there's a chance we may die a few times and yet my build isn't feasable?

I admit this is a pve example and I hardly ever play wammo in pvp since I learned I could take other secondaries that made my character far superior.

I learnt this thru experience of playing the game and watching alot of observe games. I didnt learn it by having players be rude to me or quitting games or crying about my build.

Elaine Donnerbalken · Jul 24, 2006, 11:23 AM // 11:23

This discussion becomes a bit meanigless as the new premades will be out in 2 days.

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/

AscalonWarrior · Jul 24, 2006, 12:33 PM // 12:33

I don't think mending wammos are noobs, why would they?

It's just a pre made build what anet has done and RA is for fun, not serous PvP playing
RA is where ppl play for fun and maybe test some builds. It's not that serious

Lord Cooper · Jul 24, 2006, 01:41 PM // 13:41

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Originally Posted by Aisius

Is it your intention to spread discord among the guild wars community against warriors that have a secondary in monk or just a particular build/ set of spells ?

nope hes just a self opiniated tosser who likes to hear himself talk. his intention is merely to make himself look bigger by putting others down. its a common practise among small minded people the world over.

but then thats just my opinion and may or may not have any basis in fact... just like the OP's opinion of wammos

Gawayne · Jul 24, 2006, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by Elaine Donnerbalken

This discussion becomes a bit meanigless as the new premades will be out in 2 days.

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/

I think you linked the wrong URL, this is the right one:

New Premades

Hey, we have a henchmen build coming up, with Charge and all that. I always wanted to be like Stefan, he's so sex-ay. =D

Well, it's about time, if it's true. I liked the Warriors Bane, it worked pretty well in random if you were a newbie with no skills for a nice PVP build and needed some factions.

Age · Jul 24, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06

The reason you see so many W/Mo in Beacons Perch is because half of thos are runners.

Beat_Go_Stick · Jul 24, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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Originally Posted by Legendary Battousai

I paid 50 dollars for the game too, why should I let someone waste my time with horrible time-wasting builds? So instead of sitting around being pissed, I am trying to do something about it and maybe inspire more people to not play with W/Mos and reduce the ammount of them.

W/Mos are not the problem. People who do not know how to play one in PvP is. You have people coming in having never played before thinking that healing yourself while doing damage is the best way to play the class. Now, in PvE, it's not such a bad idea. PvP is different and there is no way for them to know that except to experience it and learn to play a different type of W/Mo build.

I see this thread as very anti-newbie. Random Arena is a training ground for newbies and if you don't like the fact that they exist, then the Team Arena is the place for you.

Frankly, if I decide to create a build using Mending and Healing Hands so I can run around Random Arena and mess around, that's my decision to make. Who are you to tell me what I should consider a waste of time. If you don't want your time "wasted" there's other arenas and PvP areas you can visit that won't randomly ally you with "what-the-hell" builds.

Basically, Random Arena is just for fun and where I go when I'm not sure how a build will work out. Don't expect it to be full of people who know what they're doing and don't expect the ones who actually DO know what they're doing to be running builds that are any good. It's a testing ground and a classroom. Treat it as such and be ready to run into a world of "????????" when you enter.

Sol Deathgard · Jul 25, 2006, 06:15 AM // 06:15

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Originally Posted by Legendary Battousai

even if they dont, they usually have someone worth, for instance: Purge Signet.

I challenge you to beat the build I posted with a prebuild Paladin. They dont work as well as the build posted. The fact that they work doesnt mean how well they work, they are usually horrible and make the game horribly slow and pointless. Or for that matter, any W/Mo without using skills like Gladiator's Defence, Riposite, Deadly Riposite and actually win within 5 minutes.

Johnny should PvE until he has enough skills to bring a viable, useful build to Random Arena and should not try to get faction through the use of Paladins. If Johnny needs to PvP that badly, he can always login to the account he already has. Also, the the Solutions I would suggest using would be 2-4, not 1. But rage quit does help in reducing the ammount of wasted time in guild wars.

it's people like you that make this game less fun. 1 Shock war sucks, I've played it, I hate it, W/Mo, I don't care for it either, I like Virulence War myself, but that must be a noob build to you too. And on the other hand, if you can't beat a W/Mo in a reasonable amount of time then maybe you need to work on your build, there's is a counter for everything. (enchantment removal anyone?)

AscalonWarrior · Jul 25, 2006, 07:46 AM // 07:46

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Originally Posted by Legendary Battousai

I paid 50 dollars for the game too, why should I let someone waste my time with horrible time-wasting builds?

4 words

The Paladin Build Works!

And they are not wasting your time, it's all their time.

*lemming* · Jul 25, 2006, 07:54 AM // 07:54

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Originally Posted by Sol Deathgard

Shock war sucks

O rly?

Takonic · Jul 25, 2006, 07:58 AM // 07:58

yup PvE and PvP wammos are different, most people think they are the same thing, a lot of new players cant tell the difference then they are hated on, same thing applies to Sins, PvP they work, PvE not so good...but yet n00bs think they are 1337 cuz they have Sin in their name...a proper wammo is jus a war with a slew bag of goodies for them nasties....and shock war ownz, i run one and they are dangerous to meet in PvP

Valkyries · Jul 25, 2006, 10:30 AM // 10:30

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Originally Posted by [Apple]

All w/mos should just become Endure Pain/Defy Pain infusers, THEN you'd start getting annoyed.

I had to laugh at this. Very good comment!

To the OP

You must be either half joking or really not too bright.

This is why its called RA (Random Arenas). It is for Noobs who want to PVP but for just fun and not worry about other people critizing their builds. If you "dont want to waste your time" as you put it. Go to TA, or HA and play there. You wont find any mending wielding wammo's there so you won't have to worry.

Instead of bitching and crying about people who are NEW to the game FFS why dont you step it up and make yourself better and not do RA. Of course RA is frustrating. I played RA before too and it drives me crazy. If you want a REAL complaint tell people to take a bloody Res when they do PVP. So many times ppl either dont take it because "its a waste on my skill bar" or don't use it because "they could be killing and it takes too long to cast"

In my opinion, the problem isn't with the wammos. It lies between your keyboard and monitor. Sorry if my post was harsh but seriously, the have EVERY right to play however they want... and you have absolutely none to say people in RA of all places they should use a specific build. I dont know if you realize this but RA is used to test out new types of builds before going to high end PVP. So if someone is toying with a new Beastmaster build (for example) are they a stupid noob who is wasting your time as well? C'mon....